Monday, May 17, 2010

Argument Provoked by Pitchfork Pat

The following is a heated debate I had on Facebook provoked by the words of "Pitchfork Pat" Buchanan, the far right-wing zealot beloved by paleo-conservatives across the land.

Matthew Rozsa
Recent comment by Pat Buchanan:
"...of the last seven justices nominated by Democrats JFK, LBJ, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, one was black, Marshall; one was Puerto Rican, Sonia Sotomayor. The other five were Jews: Arthur Goldberg, Abe Fortas, Ruth Bader Ginsberg, Stephen Breyer and Elena Kagan... Is this the Democrats' idea of diversity?"
Now I'll just wait to hear that Buchanan ISN'T a racist...

Tiguhs OndaBayou
Well, if the dems reasoning on SCOTUS picks involves diverisity, he's got a point. What percent of Americans are Jews? Despite the fact I agree w/ their opinions more so than those WASP fuckers (+ the Italians). I personally prefer a diverse SCOTUS---wish he'd have picked a gay Muslim. The reaction alone from teabaggers would have been worth it.

Max Price
i think the women airforce service pilots would take pretty good offense to what your friend said. he should be more open-minded

Jim Chambers

Matthew Rozsa

To Tom:
Nominating Jews to the Supreme Court has not been considered an act of ethnic diversification in quite some time; the chances are that, because Jews are disproportionately represented within the annals of the Democratic Party and among liberal jurists, Democratic presidents just wind up appointing them because so many are available. After all, of the seven Jews ever appointed to the Supreme Court (eight if you include Kagan), only one - Benjamin Cardozo - was selected by a Republican (Herbert Hoover).

To Jim:
I think about many, many other things besides how to accuse people of racism. Sometimes I think about the shapes clouds make as they pass by in the sky; sometimes I think about pretty girls and the not-so-pretty things I'd like to do to them; sometimes I even think about why squirrels bother burying their acorns when they just forget about their location a few seconds later (a scientifically-proven fact, by the way).
In all seriousness, though, Jim... I bring up instances of racism in the action and rhetoric of the right-wing because bigotry can have devastating consequences and needs to be called out when it's found. Unfortunately the actions and words of many right-wingers - such as the policies of the Arizona government and the recent statement by Pat Buchanan - provide me with ample opportunity to engage in this calling-out process.

Max Price
would it be somewhat bigoted to ignore the racist tendencies of those on the left, then? point is, it's best to leave jerks to their own devices. you'll drive yourself mad constantly thinking about such a convoluted topic.

Tiguhs OndaBayou
Matt, take Max's last post to heart. His point is valid and u should concede the point.

Matthew Rozsa
I've never denied that people on the left can be racist, anti-Semitic, sexist, and otherwise bigoted; just look at the misogynistic remarks of Larry Summers or the Mormon-bashing of Al Sharpton. That said, these problems are much more prevalent on the right, which is why they provide me with so much fodder.
It's also not a convoluted topic. Sadly, it's a very straightforward one.

Andrea Greco
I'm not sure why you're being criticized for this, Matt. Starting dialogue is good; it's certainly better than making lazy criticisms from the sideline. What Buchanan said was ridiculous, if debatably not racist (although he has shown his true colors on many occasions.) Sure, the court is not a good proportional representation of this country, but it'd be much more homogenous if not for the dems. More importantly, Jewish justices bring intellectual diversity to the court, and have a history distinct from the gentile justices'. In that sense, the left's nominations ARE diverse.

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